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My Personal Experience with Chinese Money Habits

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great wallI know I promised a few articles on the different types of self-employed retirement plans, as well as, a follow up post to the ‘fee only vs. fee based’ debate that occurred in the comments section of my Interview with Dylan Ross. And that’s all going to happen this week.

I will post the ‘fee only/fee based‘ article tomorrow, followed by 4 separate posts addressing the pros and cons of SEP’s, SIMPLE’s, KEOGH’s and SOLO 401(k)’s. But first, I wanted to squeeze in a quasi off-topic post, inspired by something that caught my eye late last week.

Last Thursday, I read an interesting article over on Wise Bread titled Chinese Money Habits - How My Culture Influences My Attitudes Towards Money. I thought that post by Xin Lu was incredibly valuable because it shed some light on to something most Americans know little about.

I think a lot of us are hearing more and more about China in the news, but for the most part, the manner in which the average Chinese lives their life remains an enigma to the average American.

I’m not sure why that is, maybe it’s a lack of interest on our part, or the Chinese governments’ unwillingness to openly share information about what happens in their country, or maybe it’s a language issue. My conclusion: it’s a bit of all three.

My personal experience in China

I was fortunate enough to spend 5 days in Beijing, China in November of 2004. It was an eye opening experience and one I thoroughly enjoyed. In response to the Wise Bread article, I added some remarks on my StumbleUpon page that I’d like to share here:

This is a wonderfully educational and insightful article on the way Chinese people view money. Especially interesting was the high regard held for frugality.

I’m not sure if I should be surprised that their views towards money are so different, after all, China has been a poor country for a long time and growing up here (with so much) and a much higher per capita income, as an American you’re conditioned (culturally) to be a consumer right from birth. So many options here vs so few there, I think that accounts for many of the differences; the Chinese are conditioned (culturally) to save, as the author points out.

I was in China in November 2004 and one of the things that bugged me was the haggling you had to do everywhere you turned, in fact, it really took away from my experience of going to the Great Wall. When I think back to it now, the first thing I remember was the 1/4 mile of make-shift shops and hagglers that lined the path all the way up to the entrance, trying to sell you something.

Very interesting country, I brought a football with me into the Forbidden City and I think it was the first time many had seen one, everybody wanted to trade me for it, I ended up running away from all the people pulling at me.

Other things I remember from that trip: there was construction everywhere and a haze over the city, you could see the dust and soot in the air and on people’s clothes, locals had those little masks over their mouths to protect from breathing all of it in, Marlboro lights were $1 a pack, and there was a McDonald’s on almost every urban street corner.

A little background

I went to China because Northwest airlines offered an incredible deal - round trip for $350! (Yeah I know, unreal price -  and we flew Business class on the way back, as well!) My friend (who is Chinese) told a bunch of people about it and a group of us were able to book last minute tickets.

My friend Tony

He and his wife go back to China often to visit family and he told me recently that I wouldn’t even recognize the area we stayed in. He said all the buildings (from back in 2004) are complete and there is a highway overpass alongside the housing complex we stayed in, which I don’t even remember being under construction.

Tony is a top level actuary here and earns a fantastic living, but he recently told me he is entertaining the idea of moving back to China… they are willing to pay him quite a bit more than what he is earning here, wow!

China is growing by leaps and bounds, and after reading the Wise Bread post, it seems the people have a healthy attitude towards money, as well…



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6 Comment(s)

  1. Jeff@My Super-Charged Life | Mar 11, 2008 | Reply

    Ciaran - Life is obviously very different in most of the other countries of the world. I find it fascinating visiting foreign places and experiencing these differences. I believe it makes me a better person. It softens my heart towards people that are different than myself and makes me realize the wealth we enjoy here in the US. I would love to go to China and see their culture firsthand. I’m sure it would do all Americans good to see it.

    Frugality is a discipline we don’t exercise here in the States as much as we should. I think it is because our society is so spoiled with all the comforts and ease we enjoy. This is certainly not the case in many other parts of the world. There, frugality and selling souvenirs to rich tourists is often a necessity of survival. ;)

  2. Andy | Mar 11, 2008 | Reply

    My brother went to Egypt for a couple weeks this past summer and experienced something very similar. He said he had to haggle for everything he bought and it quickly became annoying. I definitely like the culture of frugality, but the haggling seems a bit over the top. It would be nice to find a good medium here in the US, but I don’t think our consumerist culture is going to change anytime soon.

  3. Ron@TheWisdomJournal | Mar 11, 2008 | Reply

    I spent a summer in Central America when I was younger and experienced the same haggling atmosphere. I had an old lady teach me how to do it. She said, “When they say $10, you say $2.” I thought that was low balling!

    She said to never pay more than half of their original price and to start walking away. It worked every time.

  4. CHM | Mar 11, 2008 | Reply

    @Jeff - China is a very interesting country and I’d love to go back and spend more time. The amount of construction going on everywhere (granted I was in the capital) was incredible. You’ve never saw so many cranes in your life.

    So of this was in preparation for the Beijing Olympics but that economy is growing so fast it’s an amazing place.

    @Andy - like the WB author said, haggling is a part of their culture and I’m sure it’s a similar situation in many emerging market countries, like your bro found in Egypt. It’s interesting to a degree and for a period of time but it grates on you eventually.

    At the top of the Great Wall I haggled for a bottle of water and I bought a nice pair of gloves for a buck:)

    @Ron - that sounds like great advice, my Chinese friend coached me in the beginning and his idea of ‘allowable profit margins’ were slimmer then your South American friend:)

    I mentioned (above) that I bought a pair of gloves for $1, well I was going to pay the merchant $3 and my friend Tony wouldn’t allow it, his thinking was we needed to get it down as low as possible.

    Later on in the trip, I paid for a T-shirt what I thought was a fair price, my friend Tony witnessed the transaction and was disappointed in me because he felt like I paid too much and didn’t haggle enough, pretty funny.

    thanks for the stumble!

  5. tracy ho | Mar 12, 2008 | Reply

    Great post , love it

    Tracy Ho
    wisdomgettingloaded

  6. online fx trading | Jul 15, 2008 | Reply

    Nice.
    Never been in china, but it sure looks good !

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